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  1. Staffan Ljung
    2026-06-17 @ 14:21

    Segling är en sport som ibland är svår att förstå. Om resultatberäkningarna blir ännu svårare att förstå för all inblandade och dessutom inte känns rättvisa är det väldigt negativt för att främja sporten. Var det inte så att förra årets Gotland runt även använde WRS där detta gjorde att 1:an och 2:an skiftade plats beroende på om man hade användt tidigare system eller WRS?

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  2. Mats V
    2026-06-17 @ 14:46

    En diff mellan båtarna på Faerdern på 20% i diagrammet på performance i APH vs WRS verkar ju helt galet…

    Som sagt, blir det för vetenskapligt komplex, ändå inte mer ”rättvist”, helt icke-transparent och väldigt svårbegripligt och med långsam resultatredovisning, så riskerar vi verkligen att mycket snabbt accelerera en redan negativ trend för deltagande i kappseglingar.

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  3. Thomas Görlich
    2026-06-17 @ 22:41

    Why does ORC partner with Predict Wind – that creates another unnecessary black box (and dependency). Instead, WRS should be made with an open source weather routing algorithm. RCs should have to publish the weather model and all parameters used.

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  4. Nils Melsom Kristensen
    2026-06-18 @ 12:10

    Just to clarify the main finding of my work: Due to different discretization of the routes for different (or almost identical) yachts in a race scored using the WRS, the routing algorithm influences the rating. It’s like calculating identical yachts on slightly different wind models. Weather model forecast error is another discussion, but it is not relevant yet, since the errors we are discussing now has nothing to do with forecast error. It is simply a numerical effect.
    If the ORC does not acknowledge this, and ask the routing provider to fix it, they are effectively throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It’s like saying that errors in the VPP are not important, because, in the end, there is no perfect truth.

    There is no such thing as a perfect rating system, but ignoring large errors in the system when they are pointed out, is, at best, just ignorant…

    I have been sailing handicap races scored on IMS and ORC for more than 30 years, and have gained insight and trust in the system over the years, and in my opinion, it is the best rating system that exist. But I think what we see now could very well be the start of the end for at least the WRS, if not the entire ORC rule, if we don’t see an effort from the ORC to accept the problem, and come up with a public admission and plan for a fix…

    But, hey, I’m just a simple guy, sailing because I think it’s fun, so what do I know :P

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  5. Staffan Ljung
    2026-06-25 @ 13:34

    Har nyligen följt ett av USA´s större event i form av Newport – Bermuda där man tycks ha använt ett handicap-system som också det bygger på omräkningar mot en väderprognos. Tydligen räknade man fel och resultatlistan fick korrigeras enligt meddelandet nedan. Som sagt var är det nära nog omöjligt att veta hur man placerat sig förens komplicerade beräkningar är gjorda…

    Notice to Fleet: Corrected Results Posted
    Number 13
    issued June 24, 2026 at 14:59
    Notice to Fleet Corrected Results Posted

    Thank you for your patience as we worked through the Forecast Time Correction Factor (FCT-F) scoring issue identified in the preliminary results.

    Since this morning, the Bermuda Race Organizing Committee (BROC) has been working closely with the third-party providers involved in generating the FCT-F calculations, including the US Sailing Offshore Office and Expedition. Together, they identified the discrepancies, re-ran the calculations for every boat individually, and verified the corrected results.

    The corrected results are now available at bermudarace.com/results. This issue was unrelated to the race management system and scoring platform powered by Nautical Cloud. Rather, it originated in the FCT-F calculations that were generated prior to being imported into the scoring system on Friday morning. Through the investigation, it was determined that an issue existed within Expedition’s fleet-processing mode that resulted in incorrect calculations for a number of boats. Once the anomalies were identified, the US Sailing Offshore Office re-ran the FCT-F calculations for every boat individually and verified the results.

    While it is unfortunate that this issue was not identified prior to the publication of preliminary results, we appreciate the efforts of the US Sailing Offshore Office and Expedition in quickly identifying the source of the problem and working diligently to verify corrected calculations for the entire fleet. We would also like to thank Nautical Cloud for its assistance in promptly updating and publishing the corrected results once the verified calculations were provided.

    As a result of these corrections, some standings have changed from those reflected in the preliminary results.

    At the end of the day, we thank all competitors for their patience, understanding, and cooperation throughout this process. Most importantly, we congratulate every sailor who successfully completed this year’s Newport Bermuda Race and navigated the challenging conditions on the passage to Bermuda.

    BROC will continue to work with its partners to better understand how this issue occurred and to ensure the integrity and accuracy of future scoring processes.

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