Scandinavian Cruiser 20 | seglar

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Vi hade ju Scandinavian Cruiser 20 som gissningsbåt i augusti. Nu är båten klar och har provseglats… Fler bilder på flickr. Sweet or not?

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42 Comments

  1. fills Dec 11, 2009 Reply

    Det verkar som att tysken fått i sig lite skumpa… märklig PR video?! Båten känns hyfsat schizofren med trapets. Annars en vacker dagslända.

  2. David Dec 11, 2009 Reply

    Hmm. Varför Neil Pryde-segel? Obegripligt.

    /David

  3. anders Dec 11, 2009 Reply

    Går nog att köpa andra segel om du vill det…

  4. NP Dec 11, 2009 Reply

    Neil pryde är det bästa inom vindsurfing så kompetens finns när dom vill.

    • David Dec 12, 2009 Reply

      De har producerat 49-segel också men jag har inte sett mycket användbart från dem som inte varit gjort av monofilm. Seglen på den aktuella båten ändrar inte direkt min från början något truliga grundinställnig..:-)
      /David

  5. alex Dec 11, 2009 Reply

    Dom borde ringa nån grafisk designer och fixa till segelmärket!

  6. Clifford Dec 11, 2009 Reply

    De större modellerna kommer nog mer till sin rätt. Denna verkar närmast löjlig.

  7. Dan Turesson Dec 11, 2009 Reply

    Not sweet. Märklig hybrid. För den som gillar konceptet finns ju en större med dataritade solande damer ombord som är lika fula som båten.

  8. Sam V Dec 11, 2009 Reply

    Noot. En hybrid som varken är cool retro eller fräsigt modern. Som en farsmusikal, det sämsta från två världar.

  9. Kungsviken Dec 12, 2009 Reply

    Äsch! Segla And- eller Tärnunge istället om ni kan uppbringa en sådan.

  10. Kristian Dec 12, 2009 Reply

    Videon är helt sjuk! En lugn broach och några halvtaskiga slag av en semifull kille som borde ha en gast?!

  11. Stefan Dec 12, 2009 Reply

    Som PR video ter sej filmen tämligen bisarr. Bryggscenen med tjock tysk, hans hämtfru och uppvisande av motorfäste är obetalbar. Snygg båt annars. Har dock svårt att se hur den rike lite till åren komne tyska farbrorn köper denna och inte den Drake…

    • anders Dec 12, 2009 Reply

      det är en dansk…

  12. Anders R Dec 12, 2009 Reply

    Hahaha, wtf?

  13. Richard Dec 12, 2009 Reply

    Vilken otroligt märklig pr-video! Båten ser ut som en modellbåt, kanske något för den som vill byta upp sig från IOM. Lockar inte fram köpsignaler hos mig i alla fall.

  14. Mats V Dec 12, 2009 Reply

    Absurd båt, kille, musik. Stor humor!

  15. Linus Dec 12, 2009 Reply

    Helt klart INTE SWEET!
    Ærligt talat så ær det nog sweetare att køpa en trissjolle!!

  16. Fredrik Dec 13, 2009 Reply

    Dude, not cool. Vem är målgruppen?
    Med det hänget och stor risk för att bli blöt i baken seglar jag hellre Laser.
    5 grader högre och snabbare än J80? Tillåt mig tvivla…

  17. Andre B. Dec 15, 2009 Reply

    En prislapp på denna skapelse?

  18. Clifford Dec 17, 2009 Reply

    19 900 Eur + extra utr +shipping från Kina+leverans kostnader+ tull+ mvs. Så man hamnar säker på 350K pix.

  19. Erik Barkefors Dec 17, 2009 Reply

    Tänk att han inte kan hålla sig för skratt när han ska beskriva hur bra eller vacker den är ;-)

    Skulle hellre köpa tre stycken Dehler 18 Varianta och köra entyp !

  20. You Swedish guys are pretty harsh on my new boat, the Scandinavian Cruiser 20.

    I started this new boat concept when I purchased a Swedish Maelar 30 (30 SQM Skerry Cruiser) two years ago.

    The Skerry Cruiser rule was established in Stockholm 101 years ago. At the time they were the fastest boats in world and they applied the latest technologies of the time.

    Our concept is to combine the stylish and beautiful Skerry Cruiser lines of a century ago with the latest technology and day-sailing functionality that sailors expect today.

    The Scandinavian Cruiser 20 sails like a classic one-design boat, just much faster and she points even higher.

    I was hoping that all Swedish sailors would be proud that your century old yachting innovation is continued to be appreciated through the world and that you would welcome continued innovation while respecting the original lines which are truly beautiful.

    We have received very positive feedback from sailors around the world, and we are currently shipping Scandinavian Cruisers to the US, Canada, UK, Australia, Norway, Denmark, Germany, France, Italy, Greece, Portugal, Korea and Hong Kong.

    Sweden is one of the few major sailing countries where we have not yet found an exclusive distributor. From reading your comments above, I can now see why.

    We are willing to support a Swedish distributor with profitable distribution margins and good advertising support. I am sure that many Swedish sailors will like the Scandinavain Cruiser 20 once they see her and try her.

    Best regards

    Nis Peter Lorentzen
    Founder
    Scandinavian Cruisers

    • Anders R Jan 4, 2010 Reply

      Are you the guy sailing in the promotion vid?

      • Nis Peter Lorentzen Jan 11, 2010 Reply

        Yes sir!

        I decided to go out alone to demonstrate that this boat can be sailed with the asymmetrical spinnaker by one person, as well as two people or two adults and one child.

        • angel joaniquet Aug 5, 2017 Reply

          Hi,

          I love the boat! would love to go into further details with you.

          my mail is angeljoaniquet@gmail.com

          +34615567551

          contact me please.

          bst rgrds

          Angel

  21. Clifford Jan 3, 2010 Reply

    Hello Nils Peter,
    I think the “problem” with the SC20 is it´s size and proportions. It is so small that you don´t get the feeling that it is a real keel boat and the proportions are not the one´s from a real dinghy. What in this concept should appeal to the keel boat sailor? and what´s in it for the dinghy sailor? may be you choosed the wrong mix?
    Take a look at Tejst a new Swedish D-canoe (www.lunne.se) it is based on a class rule that has about the same age as the Skerrie Cruiser Rule.
    The sailing canoes has always been at the front edge of sail boat development (among the first to use fully battened sails, carbon spars , hard chines etc) so when Tejsts was designed, this was a natural step forward. I doubt that the Swedish skerrie sailors find the SC 20 a natural development of the old boats. Probably the SC40 will attract more interest here.

    Best regards
    Pelle Fälth

    • Nis Peter Lorentzen Jan 11, 2010 Reply

      Dear Pelle,

      Your feedback is most appreciated. I agree that 20 feet is about the smallest possible size for a keel boat. We started the global brand building process with the smallest size first, and we will gradually introduce the 30, 40, 50 and 66 footers.

      She is a real keel boat. You can hike out, but you do not have to. Yet she is very responsive like a dinghy. Some people call them keel-assisted boats.

      The Tejst canoe boat has nearly the same dimensions and falls into the same category as the Scandinavian Cruiser 20. So does (more or less) the Flying Fifteen, International 110 class, Tempest, Star boat, Laser Stratos Keel, Laser SB 3, RS K6, RS Elite, Skud 18, etc..

      Historically, sailing canoes may have been on the front edge of boat development, but so were the Skerry Cruisers. They were the worlds fastest boats in the pre-war period.

      Many people around the world find the Skerry Cruiser lines the most beautiful lines ever designed.

      We are not targeting current Swedish Skerry Cruiser sailors because they have already made the choice to sail one of the most beautiful boats ever made. We are targeting all other sailors in the world. Those who love the beautiful lines, but who also appreciate the latest boat technology and day-sailing functionality.

      Again – thank you. I appreciate comments from all Swedes because it is your most famous yachting heritage that we are spreading around the world.

      We will also exhibit the Scandinavian Cruiser 20 at major boat shows in Sweden to see if your views change after seeing her and sailing her. She is truly a pleasure to sail. I also own an original wooden Skerry Cruiser from 1954 so I can compare.

      Best regards

      Nis Peter Lorentzen
      Founder
      Scandinavian Cruisers

  22. Author
    Peter Gustafsson Jan 4, 2010 Reply

    As many readers pointed out, it’s hard to see the unique value proposition here. Who’s the potential buyer? Do you pitch it against classic OD (H-boat, Dragon, Etchells, Star) modern OD (Melges 24, J/80) or local OD classes (606, Express, Ylva or BB10)? Or against classic skerry cruisers? Or dinghys?

    I can see sailors willing to pay premium for speed/fun (Melges 24) or style/class (Dragon/Brenta/classics) – but I’m not sure how the SC20 would fit into any one of those categories. It won’t go 20+ knots downwind, and I can’t see it being admired next to a Dragon or SK30.

    Also, it would be interseting to see the facts behind the claim “sails like a classic one-design boat, just much faster and she points even higher”…

    • Nis Peter Lorentzen Jan 11, 2010 Reply

      Dear Peter,

      It is always challenging for a new boat design to go up against large established one-design classes. Anybody in the boat business knows how that feels!

      We offer three main benefits:

      1) Latest technology such as lifting carbon T-bulb keel, lifting carbon rudder, free standing carbon wingmast. Many of the large one-design classes use decades old technology.

      2) Reasonable price. Most new boats with the same technology and functionality are more expensive.

      3) Beautiful design and superior quality. You can almost see that from the pictures, but you will certainly be able to see it when you see her “live”.

      Buying a new boat just for speed is a risky investment. There is always a faster boat coming out next year.

      We believe that the beauty, style and grace of the Scandinavian Cruisers is what sets us apart from all the sports boats in the market.

      I also own a SK30 and she will never go 20+ knots downwind, but I am not so sure about the Scandinavian Cruiser 20. I think she might just do that. I will have to come back to you on that my friend.

      The Scandinavian Cruiser 20 has a modified 10% NACA keel strut, and rudder blade made in carbon fiber which has been laminated with expansion foam in a 125C autoclave. It also has a beavertail-swallow lead bulb keel designed by Eric Sponberg. The lift and drag performance is vastly superior to my long keeled SK30. She also has a very light and stiff fully-cored hull and deck, using only Vinylester resin. She points higher and sails faster than “any” classic one-design keel boat of the same or even larger sized classic boats. Innovation never stands still.

      Best regards

      Nis Peter Lorentzen
      Founder
      Scandinavian Cruisers

  23. Clifford Jan 12, 2010 Reply

    Hello Nis Peter,
    When you have a boat in Gothenburg why not invite some “Blur-hangarounds” for a test sail of Tejst and SC2? Could be interesting to hear their opinions when they have tried the boats in RL.

    • Erik Barkefors Jan 12, 2010 Reply

      Jag kanske är partisk eftersom jag seglade C-404 ett antal år men valet vore enkelt mellan Tejst och SC20. Tejst vinner lätt alla ronder i min ranking!
      För mig faller SC20 pga skrovformen som där man premierat nostalgi istället för prestanda.

      • Clifford Nov 7, 2010 Reply

        Nästa vecka går det att se båda båtarna på Scandinavian Boat Show. Vill ni titta närmare på Tejst är ni välkomna till monter A14:30.
        mvh
        Pelle Fälth

    • Hi Clifford,

      Blur “hangarounds” are very similar to Sailing Anarchy hangarounds. Many have exceeded 5000 forum comments! If you survive them (not to mention get their respect God forbid) then you have made it in this industry!

      Joking aside, the Scandinavian Cruiser 20 will be exibited at the Stockholm Boat Show on March 6-14, 2010. I hope to meet many Blur “hangarounds” there.

      I am not sure when I can get the first boat to Gothenburg, but I will try to arrange it as soon as possible.

      The Tejst boat shares a lot with the Scandinavian Cruiser 20. It is a beautiful classic boat concept, which has been combined with a lot of modern technology and day-sailing conveniences.

      Tejst is a little longer with a longer water line, so it will be a little faster going upwind in enough wind to reach full boat speed. In light air on a reach, the Scandinavian Cruiser 20 will be faster because of the asymmetrical spinnaker, lower weight and narrow water line.

      The Scandinavian Cruiser 20 and the Tejst are both unique design products. Sailors do not buy these two boats just based on pure speed. Other factors like unique design, history & heritage, quality, price, availability, etc., are equally important.

      The Scandinavian Cruiser 20 is helping a revival of Swedish Skerry Cruiser (Square Meter Yacht) history around the world. We are getting around 20,000 hits on our web site http://www.scandinaviancruisers.com every month, and many visitors are reading the history of the Skerry Cruisers (Square Meter Yachts) on our site and following the links to other Skerry Cruiser sites. We are now selling Scandinavian Cruisers through national distributors in more than 15 countries around the world. We could do the same for Tejst if we were invited to do so. When it comes to “good taste” and design preference there are no right or wrong answers.

      Best regards

      Nis

      Nis Peter Lorentzen
      Founder
      Scandinavian Cruisers

  24. John Smith Aug 18, 2010 Reply

    Why is everyone here so down on the SC 20? How a boat feels going through the water is every bit as important as ultimate speed, especially for a boat meant to be sailed all day long, and not just around a small race circuit. Also, there are some fathers who sail with young children who want a very safe and comfortable boat for the kids to enjoy the sail, and for them not to be terrorized with the fear of capsizing every moment in cold water. There seems to be many pluses for the SC 20 design, in practical terms as well, terms that may translate into more enjoyable hours of sailing every week. And personally, I do like how the boat looks.

    • Erik Barkefors Aug 18, 2010 Reply

      Take a look att the boats that are named “sweet” here on blur.se and you understand the people on blur.se ;-)

  25. M Aug 18, 2010 Reply

    Well, John. it might be fun for some fathers, but most mums think it’s a bore.

  26. Author
    Peter Gustafsson Aug 18, 2010 Reply

    John, I think the feedback above was pretty straight forward and easy to understand?

    It’s not just that many people like faster boats, but it’s not really appealing to the traditionalists either?

    I don’t know where you sail, but here we have dozens of boats that fits your criteria…

    Either you want the real deal, and go with a A22, M30, J14 (above), Andunge, Dragon or Folkboat. Then you get a boat with a history, excellent craftsmanship, a great community and the possibility of some serious racing. As well as a beautiful daysailor.

    Or you want a modern design and get a CB-66 or J/80. Then you get a really fun boat, a happening class and hopefully some one-design racing. And you can still take your children out for the evening cruise. Or add some money and get a boat you can cruise over the weekend.

    If you want bang for the buck you get a 606. For almost no money you get into a fun and well established class and get the money back when you sell it. Also, you can send the children out for themselves.

    When you do a modern “replica” or interpretation it’s a delicate balance. Personally I think the Tejst or Mini Folkboat is much more in line with what I personally like.

    I’m sure there are many people who think it’s a great boat, but it’s easy to fall into the category “not really a replica – not really modern – not really fast/fun – made in China”. It’s very easy to get stuck in the middle…

  27. Nis Peter Lorentzen Nov 28, 2010 Reply

    Hi Peter Gustafsson,

    Thank you for all your constructive comments.

    I think all sailors of the Scandinavian Cruiser 20 agrees that she is really fast, a lot of fun and beautiful. Classic lines and innovation really can be combined! I think the following pictures shows that very well:

    Scandinavian Cruiser 20

    Scandinavian Cruiser 20

    Scandinavian Cruiser 20

    • Pär Johansson Nov 28, 2010 Reply

      Looks like a beautiful boat! It´s hard to understand all the negative comments in this forum, especially as no one seems to have sailed her. Good thing the world is bigger than this forum.

      I can clearly see what type of person that would be interested in a boat like this. I am sure there is a market in Scandianvia, Germany, Holland, UK, US etc. I like the name, it will appeal to people that likes scandinavian design which is unique.

      Pär

  28. Clifford Mar 14, 2011 Reply

    Lite nya bilder på SC 20, verkar så där….http://www.scandinaviancruiser.com/6101.html

    • Author
      Peter Gustafsson Mar 14, 2011 Reply

      Det där såg inte kul ut. Ibland känns det som man hade tur när man köpte en ny båt och allting funkade från början.

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